Forbidden Donut

Among the list of things that scare me more than a nuclear North Korea:

- Spiders
- The dark
- Minorities
- Bacon

I think Kim Jong-il should stop talking big. America has a new style. America will not hesitate to attack anyone that "threatens" its security. I believe that an actual threat would lead to a lot of damage to NK.

That has been America's style for a very long time, Jedd.

OK so let me get this straight

It's OK for the US to have the largest arsenal of nuclear weapons in the world, but not OK for another country to have one to defend itself?

Yep. You seem to understand the thinking.

/NK isn't getting them to 'defend themselves', or probably even attack somebody for reals.
//It's probably just dick waving.

Does defending itself include launching nuclear weapons at Hawaii?



Sadly. But now we are wearing it on our sleeve. We're not even making shit up to lead us into the war (like Vietnam).

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*one of these things is not like the others*
*one of these things just doesn't belong*
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why the hell would it nuke hawaii, how is hawaii of any use to them, besides ... your country is the only one in the world that launched a nuclear missile. Sure if you want NK to get rid of them, then get rid of yours too and make the world clean

who are you talking to? none of "us" said they shouldn't be allowed to have nuclear capabilities, we just said that they're dicks and they're acting like dicks.

moreover, we may be the only country use them in a war, but that was one time in the past, and loads of other countries have nukes; so why does it matter that we've used ours?

because most of the "other" nuclear countries arent whining like you

Ie. Russia and China.

Oh wait...

who is you?!?!

the united states of america is not a person!

that's the best reply you could come with?

Ramy, there isn't a westernized country in the world that wants North Korea to have nuclear weapons. The United States is not the only country upset about the plutonium production or missile tests.

Now, people on this board generally (there are some exceptions) don't care very much about North Korea obtaining nukes, so I don't know who's cage you're trying to rattle. However, there are some significant differences between what North Korea is doing and what everyone else with nuclear weapons is doing: they've threatened to use the nuclear weapons as a pre-emptive strike against any nation they feel is threatening their sovereignty. That is an extremely bold, and scary statement.

Now, North Korea doesn't have any missiles that can reach the US. The missile they plan to test fire will fall into the pacific 500 miles away from Hawaii if it even reaches its maximum range, which many do not. It will, however, as other missiles have done in the past, fly directly over Japan. That is a pretty big fucking deal, no matter who the nations are.

Now, as for the whole "the US is the only nation to have used a nuclear weapon in combat" nonsense, please. First of all, Canada was a key contributor to the Manhattan project, so you'd have to be ignorant or a fool to assume your country wasn't in part responsible for the nuclear attacks on Japan. Beyond that, Canada has been key to shaping nuclear proliferation around the globe since the end of the second world war.

I support the complete disarmament of nuclear weapons from the entire planet. I really do. I wish it was more of a possibility than it seems to be. But get off your high horse about it. Canada has them too, and so does every other westernized country. If the US got rid of every nuclear weapon it had tomorrow, there would still be more than enough nukes on the planet to destroy all life countless times.

I know, many fucking countries have nukes around the world, even india and pakistan, ...etc.

BUT, the US is trying to FORCE a country to stop its nuclear research, when the US is STILL making more the moment i'm typing this.

As far as I know, there are some countries that are close to NK that said they wont interfere (believe its china and russia)

I'm not trying to say the USA is shitty and the rest of the world are angels, no. The whole politics world is full of crap, but if you're trying to maintain the status of strongest country in the world by forcing other countries to not be able to defend themselves if the US launches a nuke on them, then yeah ..

No, the entire international community (including China and Russia) is trying to force a country to stop its nuclear research. Your whole argument seems to hinge on the very incorrect idea that the US is single-handedly strong-arming North Korea, and it bothers me to no end. It's not that I don't agree that the US should stay out of other country's affairs, but it is disingenuous for you, a citizen of another country that opposes a nuclear-armed Korean peninsula, to call the US out for sharing the exact same view.

The US is trying to force a country, WHO THREATENED TO LAUNCH A NUCLEAR MISSILE AT THE US, to stop its nuclear research.

No shit?

plus are we really still making new nukes nowadays?

We are making new nukes. Our total number of nuclear weapons is not increasing, but we are constantly producing new nukes and disposing of existing nukes.

The number of total nukes globally is actually decreasing, or at least that's what I remember reading. I'll look for some info.

There's something like 1700 in our arsenal now? or 1700 globally... I can't remember.