Forbidden Donut

What I'd like to do is hear you tell me all about what makes Mac so much better than Windows.

o the OS is designed only to work on a specific set of hardware, while Windows is designed to work on as much hardware as possible. That creates, out of the box, a more stable OS that is tailored to the hardware itself.
If you believe that limiting hardware options is a *positive* attribute that's fine. Confusing... but fine.

o Also, as far as the initial code base is concerned, Apple chose to use Darwin as its code base. It is a Free BSD based kernel that also has a lot of the NeXTStep code tied into it.
So you're saying that NeXTStep is better than NT... well let's move on to the next point then.

o On top of that, there is the whole Cocoa API that allows developers to create applications that meet Apple Interface Guidelines easily. It creates a look and feel that is the same across multiple apps, that users can expect to see. There are other frameworks, but most projects are using Cocoa exclusively. Also, the interface sits on a seperate thread within the OS so that, if you do have a app that is not responding, it most likely won't freeze your whole window system.
This is, in fact, exactly what .NET was designed to accomplish when it was tacked onto the NT kernel.

o With the adoption of the x86 architecture (which was a great move for Apple, in my opinion), those that still want to run Windows, can.
On a more expensive machine that is harder to repair than any non apple product on the market.

There are more, when I get done at my appointment this evening.

.Net compiles down to the a CLR, that anyone can then see your code. There are ways around this, but for the most part, it is inefficient. Most all of the Mac OS apps compile down to binaries, and is a lot more efficient and secure.

.Net is a good idea, but a poor implementation.

On top of that, .Net has nothing to do with the interface. I can tell that you must be a non technical user.

http://www.apple.com/macosx/refinements/en...efinements.html

That is the new features for Snow Leopard. This is not to mention the current feature set. Look through it, and if you have any questions, please let me know. The price: $29 for single user, $49 for family pack (optional, because they don't treat you like a criminal).

On an aside, how many versions of Windows have there been at launch? There is just one for Snow Leopard. No need for an upgrade matrix.

PS: http://www.apple.com/macosx/security/
And yes, Mac OS IS more secure than Windows out of the box, and even with all the other Windows security installed.

Features I have questions about:
"Sortable search results." - Why hasn't this been in place for years? If it has, like it has in Windows search results, then it's not a new feature.

"Restore deleted items to original folders." - See question 1

"AirPort menu signal strength." - See question 1

"Gamma 2.2." - LOL

iChat is uninteresting to me
Safari Blows
Quicktime Blows
A lot of this stuff has third party analogs on Windows. Mac has better multi-tasking... unless you have a few years experience with Windows, then you'd lose a step for a while as you learn all the fancy multi-tasking tricks Mac's let you do. For a slightly faster computing experience that's not worth it to me.

I'm not sure what the point of saying Windows treats its customers like criminals was. Mac overcharges for hardware, Windows overcharges for software. This is the way of the world.

I will surely believe the Apple write up on Mac security. Right after I finish looking at the results of Pwn2Own.
That was 09
Here's 08
Aaaaand 07.

It's security through obscurity. They fudge their vulnerability numbers. And they have no qualms lying to consumers. Sure... you're safer on your Mac. Until somebody wants to bother with you.

protip: regardless of your opinion on it, security through obscurity still makes osx a more safe alternative to windows, and things will stay this way for a long time
You can make this argument. This isn't the argument being presented by Apple. Or most Apple users. Including Alfy.

ALSO, Safari can't really be considered an example of poor OS security since it's not a fucking OS. Until IE6 stops having such a large marketshare, you can shut the fuck up about any web related vulnerabilities in OSX.
Right after OSX users and Mac Ads shut the fuck up about any web related vulnerabilities in Windows.

this all from a die hard windows user
Good to know...

fiftieth edit: god you really should feel like a moron, please go drown yourself
Probably.

MOREOVER, the argument that apple overcharges for hardware is pretty much invalid at this point, because it's in the same range as most OEMs now
please elaborate on what you mean here.

TL;DR andrew stop being disingenuous to try and get your retarded ass points, that nobody cares about, across.
Clearly...

The exploits that were found were patched soon after each exploit was found. Microsoft has a habit of not doing anything about the security exploits that abound within IE and Windows itself.

http://research.eeye.com/html/alerts/zeroday/index.html

The four year old one is awesome!

"You can make this argument. This isn't the argument being presented by Apple. Or most Apple users. Including Alfy."
Thanks for not saying anything about the point I made. Your point was that Apple isn't as secure as windows. My point was that, via the security through obscurity that you claim they have, they're more secure than windows. It doesn't matter who is making the argument, or why they are making it. It's still right.
I never claimed Apple was less secure than Windows. Which was all the response your strawman required. But since you demand satisfaction, yes. You are correct. You are safer using a Mac. This should not, however, be confused with Macs being more secure than Windows. Which is one of the major selling points peddled by Apple.

Right after OSX users and Mac Ads shut the fuck up about any web related vulnerabilities in Windows.
The difference is, IE is built into everything that is windows. Even if you remove IE completely, it removes certain things inside of windows for that very reason. Safari is not built into OSX in the same way. Your argument is invalid because of this.
Ok. So we should examine each IE vulnerability and determine if it's a web-only vulnerability, or whether it's tied directly to explorer. This is not what is being done.

please elaborate on what you mean here.Apple doesn't overcharge on hardware any more than pre-built Windows PC vendors do, nowadays. A lot of their comparable machines are cheaper than dell's, even.
Show me one. High end, low end, I don't care. I have never seen this claim being made, and having looked recently, I believe it to be false.

Clearly...
Clearly, or else people wouldn't be using OSX, and at an increasing rate...
My point being that people do, in fact, seem to care about the argument. Otherwise there would be no argument. This has nothing to do with market shares. But if you want to go down that road we can.
God you really should feel like a moron. Please go drown yourself...

Considering your reply didn't actually say anything, I'll maintain my stance on you shutting the fuck up.

Wow. Some people really get fired up over operating systems? Really? I can understand religion and politics....but operating systems?!? Everyone needs to calm down and realize that no one is attacking anything remotely close to what can be considered a fundamental stance of yours. And on the off chance that they are, please go outside more.

I never claimed Apple was less secure than Windows.

It's security through obscurity. They fudge their vulnerability numbers. And they have no qualms lying to consumers. Sure... you're safer on your Mac. Until somebody wants to bother with you. Sounds like "Mac's are really less secure." to me.

Which was all the response your strawman required. But since you demand satisfaction, yes. You are correct. You are safer using a Mac. This should not, however, be confused with Macs being more secure than Windows. Which is one of the major selling points peddled by Apple.

"Macs" are not an operating system. Therefore, comparing them to Windows doesn't really make any sense. (Since Mac's are a personal computer brand, and they can run both OSX and Windows.) Secure: Free from attack or danger. Security through obscurity, by definition, makes OSX more secure than windows. Nevermind anything else.

Ok. So we should examine each IE vulnerability and determine if it's a web-only vulnerability, or whether it's tied directly to explorer. This is not what is being done.

Since IE is tied into it, by definition, any bug in IE would be a bug in anything that uses IE in Windows. Perhaps you should re-read what I said.

My point being that people do, in fact, seem to care about the argument. Otherwise there would be no argument. This has nothing to do with market shares. But if you want to go down that road we can.

Mac's marketshare is increasing. Windows' is far greater, but Mac's is increasing. Considering the virtual monopoly Windows has had on all computers for the past 20 years, I think Macintosh computers are doing pretty well at this point.

Security through obscurity is no security at all. As someone who deals with web application security every single day, I cannot possibly stress that enough. The very idea that you are safer through obscurity is an affront to security practices in general and is probably the biggest attributing factor to the insecurities that permeate the web today. Especially since the web is becoming more and more intertwined with operating systems and the software that runs on them, it is down right dangerous to press the very incorrect point that you are safer due to obscurity.

But that's the fundamental problem with obscurity as a form of security. "Right now" is completely arbitrary. It could be that in two days, there will be a massive assault on OS X, and since a huge number of people don't use any sort of firewall or virus scan on OS X, the community will be largely helpless. Obscurity is not and never will be a realistic means of security. It is a means to create false impressions, and false impressions are incredibly dangerous.

Well, you can imagine the same frustration is shared across the aisle when some of the far larger majority talk shit on MAC products without actually working on a MAC themselves. It definitely works both ways, and I find it equally frustrating.

I wouldn't go as far as to say that apple's advertisements have had a net negative effect on computing because I truly think apple has helped the visual spectrum of computing in ways that no other company has managed to do. They have also shown more than any other operating system that software can be designed and developed to play nice with other software, and it can be done in a beautiful and cost-efficient way. Plus, their support of things like webkit have helped push web technology (especially in terms of speed) forward. And finally, their revamping of their OS to run from a linux kernel was absolutely groundbreaking, and I think the benefits of this step have only begun to be realized by the community as a whole. Now, that's not to say that Microsoft hasn't had similar groundbreaking contributions to computing (3.1 and XP to name a few), but it is definitely nice to have another company contributing to the technological improvements.

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lol Xemplar lol.

-dan

go break another bone.